Ludwig & Son Transportation #61- GMC P8M-4905A

On April 7, 2004 I had a chance to see a GMC parlor coach for the first time. As a friend and I were on a Calgary Transit bus heading into downtown Calgary on the 10th Street W. Bridge we saw this coach parked on 4th Avenue S.W. just west of the 10th Street Bridge. We had barely missed a photo opportunity of this bus earlier in the day as it had had quickly sped right by us while we had just taken some photos of a CP Rail locomotive. But not to worry, we would get a much better photo opportunity a bit later in the day. Back on the Calgary Transit bus, we got off at the nearest stop and headed towards where that coach was parked. As we took photos of the rear, driver side and front of the bus, the driver noticed and opened the door. We walked up to the door and the driver very kindly invited us in to have a look at the bus inside. I forgot to get the driver's name, but if that driver is reading this right now, thank you very much! The inside of the coach seemed in pretty good shape and on the outside; the body looked like it was in good shape. I was very glad that I had the chance to not only see my first GM Parlor coach that day but also get to explore many of the details. The coach was actually parked waiting to the run a contracted Greyhound run to Drumheller, Alberta or Hanna, Alberta. This particular coach has 3 axles; the tag axle at the rear is actually hidden behind a door in front of the drive axle.

Specifications
Dimensions: L-40ft./W-96in./H-132in.
Engine: DD 8V71
Lavatory: Yes, 1
Model: GMC P8M-4905A
Manufactuer Year: 1976, Pontiac, MI
Original Owner: Cascade Charter Service, BC
Passenger Capacity: 47
Transmission: 4 Speed Manual
Turn Radius: 49 Feet
Wheelbase: 319 Inches
VIN Number: P8M4905A-1405

Exterior Photos

Interior Photos

The first GM intercity coaches were built by a subdivision of GM called yellow coach. The first model, the 719 began production in the mid 30's and was later upgraded to the 743. In November 1939 the first intercity coach to be built under the GM name began production. It was the PG-2501, the P stood for parlor versus T for GM's transit buses. Through about the next 41 years GM built about 23 000 parlor coaches including the PG-2501, but not including the 719 and 743. There were 45 different models of parlor coaches that GM and Yellow Coach built throughout the years. However several models would be a very similar bus with just some minor differences.

The P8M-4905A is a good example of how several models would have many similarities. The bus actually started out as the PD-4903 in April of 1968. This was the first 40 foot coach from GM that was available to operators other than Greyhound. 401 PD-4903's were sold in 1968 and 1969. In February 1970 the PD-4905 was introduced and sold 331 units in 1970 and 1971. The P8M-4905A was introduced in 1972 and offered an optional retractable third axle (tag axle). This model sold 2027 units from 1972 through to 1978 and the coach featured on this page is from this series. The very last GM parlor coaches sold were the H8H-649 which sold only 233 units and was a continuation of the P8M-4905A. Production ended in July 1980. At the time Motor Coach Industries and Eagle Manufacturing respectively subsidies of Greyhound and Trailways were becoming stronger players in the market thus General Motors decided to end production of it's intercity coaches.

Information was obtained from the Yahoogroup GMC-Busnuts and Coach Information Network.

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